Fujifilm Finepix Real 3D W1 Trial and test report (later)

mickeymouse

Finally get the camera tonight.  The 3D photo Frame will be collected later next week.
The box is small.  Just half a e-zone magazine with 3 to 4 inches high.




The camera is just about the same size as an portable 2.5inches harddisk while with 2 time thickness.
A little bit big for a DC but quite small for a 3D solution for both 3D photos and 3d video.  At least it is much smaller than a Nimslo or a realist.


First feeling is quite good.

The 3D display on the camera is better than my expectation.  Give good preview when taking 3D photos and video.
Fuji have utilized the 3D display.  so when changing the setting of the camera, selected item will be highlighted and "pop up" from the display.

The camera did not come with any camera bag.   I bought a hk$20 NDS bag to hold it.
The camera use Fuji NP-95 battery that is already available in Ap Liu Street for HK$109.  I have also buy a powersmart charge base (HK$48) for my universal charger.  Now I have a total of 3 charge bases, one for Li-40b, one for JVC videocam and the new one for this 3D camera.

The centre of the camera back is the 3D LCD.  Buttons are on the both size of the display that assume two hands operation.  I prefer more "single hand operation" design.   

It is also easy to cover one of the two lenses with your hands and fingers.  need time to adapt how to hold the camera.

Charging the battery now.  Also have to learn about the camera.   will go out to try the camera tomorrow.

http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stphmkr/index.html

I have tried to make 3D photos and save as fuji MPO format, copy to the SD card. it can be correctly displayed on the camera. just the file name may not be correctly displayed.


> 部機可唔可以玩全景架?

What do you mean?   take multiple photos and stitch together?  Of course yes.  It have normal 2D mode.

>唔知可唔可以轉返我以前用其他相機影0既3D相, 轉做 fuji MPO format 呢 ?
可以.  I use Stereo Photo Maker.  it is freeware and suppor MPO format.
http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stphmkr/index.html

[ 本帖最後由 hiker 於 2010-3-29 12:14 PM 編輯 ]

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mickeymouse

Technical Testing Only.
One of the major advantage of using this camera is the auto parallax setting (stereo Windows)
I have roughly test the behavier of this auto function. It seems to me that in most situation the camera will use the focus point at stereo window.

For example in the following photo that was taken with focus on the old man.  So the stereo window is also set on the old man.  So the old man is appear at the surface of the screen, while the pigs is inside the screen and the cat is poping out.



The parallax (stereo window) can be set on the camera and make a copy for the adjusted 3D photo.
the following photos is trying to set the stereo window on the cat in the front.  So everything behind the cat are inside the screen.



the following photos is trying to set the stereo window on the wooden frog in the front.  So everything in front of the frog are poping out of the screen.



As the lenses separation of the camera is 77mm.  The distance of the camera to the object are too short, so the stereo effect is not very good.  But just want to illustrated the auto parallax and manual adjust functions on the camera.
On the other hand, the 3D effects on the Camera screen are better than viewing the above photos on computer.  Look Forward to the 8 inches 3D LCD screen.

Stereo Window concept is not difficult but it is also not easy to teach in the past.   I find this camera is a very good teaching tool on this as you can demostrate the effect of stereo window easily by this simple camera function.

The screen on the camera is a little bit too small to adjust the stereo windows to a very scientific accuracy but it is good enough for general purpose.
The vertical alignment of the left and right photos are a few pixels off.  however, it will not have any bad effect on  general usages of the camera.  Nevertheless, the camera have build in functions to let you to calibrate the vertical alignment as well.

A few hours uages of the camera give me a very positive feel.    Just  a few complains as follow.
1) The camera surface is easily full of finger prints.
2) The noise control, especially in low light, is not very good. it is just a normal DC.
3) The color of photos is a little bit too "Pale".
4) the speakers of the camera is not loud enough when playing back video.
5) cannot use remote shutter release........

One surprise is that it has mic beside each of the  2 lenses.  So the stereo sound effect of the video is very good for such a DC.

More to come.........

[ 本帖最後由 mickeymouse 於 2009-9-24 10:50 AM 編輯 ]

mickeymouse

Tried 3D movie.  It seems to me that the lonest video time of 1 take is 15minutes 12 seconds.   I hope Fujifilm can remove this limitation later so that it can take movie continuously until card full.   Nevertheless, this limitation is not critical for most people.

On the other hand, zoom are disabled during movie taking.  you have to select focal length to be used  before taking movie.  You cannot adjust stereo windows or parallax x for video neighter.

when taking 3D movie, camera is very sensitive to camera shake.  For example, I take movie while I am walking, noise line will appear.   so you need stablizer if you want to take movie while walking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTafdwq0Eak
Test 3D Movie, in anaglyph format.

[ 本帖最後由 mickeymouse 於 2009-10-3 11:16 AM 編輯 ]

伸小入門

部機可唔可以玩全景架?

rice00700

正~
唔知可唔可以轉返我以前用其他相機影0既3D相, 轉做 fuji MPO format 呢 ?

mickeymouse

Recieved the viewer on 25 Sept 2009.


The 3D view is actaully very good and impressive.   However, the user manual is very unfriendly that I believe very few people can use the viewer without reading the manual in very details.  And the manual is very poor written.

The player have card slots for XD and SDHC cards.   It also have a USB port for playing files on USB device such as flash disk, external harddisk, etc.

I only tried SDHC cards and a USB 2GB flash drive.   I find that the play back from the USB drive is not good enough and have problem when playing 3D movie.   I am not sure if it is the usb port not fast enough or my flash drive not fast enough.    So far playing from SDHC cards are perfect alsthough I have only the slowest card.

There is also a mini USB port for you to use with PC.  However, I fail to operate as what is described in the User Manual.  But at least, I can see the SDHC Card and the internal (400MB) memory as and removal disk drive in Windows to manage those files.

The viewer will remind you to rest from 3D viewing after 20 to 30 minutes.  it willl ask you to switch to 2D viewing but I suggest you better take a rest when you are prompted.

The remote of the viewer is very basic but good enough for the job.

You can also transfer photos or video from camera to viewer by IR.   However, I am not patient enough to try this.

[ 本帖最後由 mickeymouse 於 2009-9-28 04:10 PM 編輯 ]

木示

Thanks, mickeymouse. The information you provided (and also your other posts about 3D photography) are very useful. I also got W1 and V1, I find they are funny to play with.

The screen on the camera is a little bit too small to adjust the stereo windows to a very scientific accuracy but it is good enough for general purpose.

You may use Wide/Tele button do magnification when aligning the L/R windows.

shunora

wow, mickeymouse, you are real expert on 3D photography, thank you for your info and good review.

I have to spend more time to play around with the camera to test all those 3D effects/functions.

The 3D effects on the LCD photo frame is way better than the camera small screen, I am sure you will enjoy it !!

伸小入門

原帖由 mickeymouse 於 2009-9-24 12:32 PM 發表
> 部機可唔可以玩全景架?

What do you mean?   take multiple photos and stitch together?  Of course yes.  It have normal 2D mode.

>唔知可唔可以轉返我以前用其他相機影0既3D相, 轉做 fuji MPO form ...

我以為可以兩個鏡頭一齊影變做 super wide photos

自由N人

我有3D眼鏡，睇左D相之後真係覺得好正

自由N人

唔知樓主可否放張FULL SIZE 比我睇下呢？
或者有無類似的相係W1試機相呢？

自由N人

我見到樓主部相機追住我尼影

mickeymouse

原帖由 manonfire 於 2009-9-29 02:10 PM 發表
useful tutorial for fujifilm W1 users
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useful tutorial for fujifilm W1 users
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透過iZ3D立體螢幕觀看Fujifilm W1立體相機照片
http://www.iz3d.com.tw/news_into.php?id=MjE4

將Fujifilm W1 3D立體影片轉換成iZ3D可播放的檔案格式
http://www.iz3d.com.tw/news_into.php?id=MjI0

原帖由 winnerso 於 2009-10-2 12:44 PM 發表
Nvidia 3D Glassess Support View fujifilm W1 3D Photo
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D_Vision_Photo_Viewer.html

[ 本帖最後由 mickeymouse 於 2009-12-7 02:40 PM 編輯 ]

mickeymouse

The Pros and Cons of the Camera
Pros:
1.  very convenience and good quality 3D photos and Video Solution.
2.  Very Good power management
3.  Auto Stereo Window Setting that can be manually overrided.

Cons:
1. Easy to cover lenses by fingers.   Perhaps can add warning to the user by ir sensor....etc.......
2. Photo Quality is only acceptable.
3. Poor Noise Control
4. No zoom while video taking
5. Internal Flash Power too Small (A not so bad solution in http://www.dchome.net/viewthread ... p;page=2#pid9251635)
6. Auto White Balance not Accurate.
Wishlists:
1. Allow using remote control or shutter release cable.
2. Can change between landscape/portrait format by rotating the CCD.
3. Shorter lenses separation model to alllow better macro 3D photos.
4. Hotshoe or PC Adaptor to use external flash
5. Mic connector for external Mic for video
6. Changable lenses.

The Pros and Cons of the Viewer
Pros:
1. Quite Good 3D effects, no reason to buy the camera without the viewer together.


Cons:
1. Cannot Browse or Select Photos/Video to view by Folders.  
2. Viewing angle is too narrow.   Cannot allow 3 or more people to view at the same time.

Wishlists:
1. Product of Different Size
2. Battery operateable


To be Updated Continuously..........

[ 本帖最後由 mickeymouse 於 2009-11-28 09:26 AM 編輯 ]

mickeymouse

Accessories.

3D underwater case??
http://finepix.com/jp/lagoon/real_3d_w1/much_3d.html



[ 本帖最後由 mickeymouse 於 2009-10-15 04:14 PM 編輯 ]

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